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    Default If you fail a grade for academic reasons should you be allowed to play sports?

    In speaking with a NKY middle school basketball coach last night I was informed that a By-Law was recently voted on to allow kids who fail academically the ability to participate in athletics the following year. He was amazed that it was brought up for vote let alone that it passed with a 12-5 vote in favor of changing the By-Law.

    This is an absolute joke IMO. Last I checked athletics was a privelage and not a right. It basically tells kids that athletics are more important than getting good grades. The sad thing was that the A.D of a NKY school who actually was heading up the meeting was putting emphasis on making sure they voted right then and there. Let me guess, his school probably has a couple of kids who failed and who want to play basketball again as 7th or 8th graders.

    I understand that some kids might have health issues and repeat a grade but this is essentially telling the ones that get bad grades, its ok, just come back next year and you will get the same privelages.

    So basically not only are we telling the kids that there are no consequences for their failure but we are also telling our 12 and 13 yr old sons and daughters that they may be playing against 14 and 15 yr old 7th graders in teh coming future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by qryche11 View Post
    In speaking with a NKY middle school basketball coach last night I was informed that a By-Law was recently voted on to allow kids who fail academically the ability to participate in athletics the following year. He was amazed that it was brought up for vote let alone that it passed with a 12-5 vote in favor of changing the By-Law.

    This is an absolute joke IMO. Last I checked athletics was a privelage and not a right. It basically tells kids that athletics are more important than getting good grades. The sad thing was that the A.D of a NKY school who actually was heading up the meeting was putting emphasis on making sure they voted right then and there. Let me guess, his school probably has a couple of kids who failed and who want to play basketball again as 7th or 8th graders.

    I understand that some kids might have health issues and repeat a grade but this is essentially telling the ones that get bad grades, its ok, just come back next year and you will get the same privelages.

    So basically not only are we telling the kids that there are no consequences for their failure but we are also telling our 12 and 13 yr old sons and daughters that they may be playing against 14 and 15 yr old 7th graders in teh coming future.
    Bad ,bad policy .

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    Quote Originally Posted by qryche11 View Post
    In speaking with a NKY middle school basketball coach last night I was informed that a By-Law was recently voted on to allow kids who fail academically the ability to participate in athletics the following year. He was amazed that it was brought up for vote let alone that it passed with a 12-5 vote in favor of changing the By-Law.

    This is an absolute joke IMO. Last I checked athletics was a privelage and not a right. It basically tells kids that athletics are more important than getting good grades. The sad thing was that the A.D of a NKY school who actually was heading up the meeting was putting emphasis on making sure they voted right then and there. Let me guess, his school probably has a couple of kids who failed and who want to play basketball again as 7th or 8th graders.

    I understand that some kids might have health issues and repeat a grade but this is essentially telling the ones that get bad grades, its ok, just come back next year and you will get the same privelages.

    So basically not only are we telling the kids that there are no consequences for their failure but we are also telling our 12 and 13 yr old sons and daughters that they may be playing against 14 and 15 yr old 7th graders in teh coming future.
    I was under the understanding that the grades needed to be keep up in order to play sports. Not a good policy at all.

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    School sports are a privilege, not a right. You are there to be a student first. I agree, this is a bad policy. What message is this sending to the kids, ... even if you fail, we will still let you play? Bad idea.

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    I may be wrong, been a while since I checked but I thought KHSAA ByLaw5 stated, that student-athletes in grades 1-8, must be passing 2/3's of the subjects, they are currently enrolled in.

    There are additional requirements, of minimum credit hours and passing at least, 4hrs of 6hrs, in 9-12, I believe.

    Not sure how a local school system, can create a policy which has less standards, than the KHSAA, regarding MS participation.

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    I'll just repeat what everyone else has said. If you fail a grade, maybe you should spend less time on sports and more time on the books.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HHSDad View Post
    I'll just repeat what everyone else has said. If you fail a grade, maybe you should spend less time on sports and more time on the books.
    Without question and most Coaches, will not/should never tolerate, inadequacies in the classroom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by STRIKE3 View Post
    Without question and most Coaches, will not/should never tolerate, inadequacies in the classroom.
    Should not and if they do something is rotten in Denmark.

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    Quote Originally Posted by STRIKE3 View Post
    I may be wrong, been a while since I checked but I thought KHSAA ByLaw5 stated, that student-athletes in grades 1-8, must be passing 2/3's of the subjects, they are currently enrolled in.

    There are additional requirements, of minimum credit hours and passing at least, 4hrs of 6hrs, in 9-12, I believe.

    Not sure how a local school system, can create a policy which has less standards, than the KHSAA, regarding MS participation.


    MS participation is not governed by the KHSAA. ONly if a MS students plays on the HS team does the rules apply to them. There is no minumum requirement for MS students to play on the MS teams by the KHSAA.

    For instance, If a 7th grader plays up on a HS team they can only play that one year as a 7th grader. If they fail then they can not play for the HS the next year as a 7th grader. But there is no regulation saying they can't play MS again as a 7th grader.

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    Quote Originally Posted by STRIKE3 View Post
    I may be wrong, been a while since I checked but I thought KHSAA ByLaw5 stated, that student-athletes in grades 1-8, must be passing 2/3's of the subjects, they are currently enrolled in.

    There are additional requirements, of minimum credit hours and passing at least, 4hrs of 6hrs, in 9-12, I believe.

    Not sure how a local school system, can create a policy which has less standards, than the KHSAA, regarding MS participation.
    KHSAA does not have say so in MS athletics UNLESS those athletes are playing on the HS level. I assumed from the post that this is for ONLY the NKY MS league.


    And btw, horrible decision. BUT,

    If they fail a grade are they not allowed to be in band? Chorus? Science club? WWJD? Any of the other non-athletic extracurricular activities? Why is athletics held to a different standard than all the other extracurricular activities? One F at a MS and you could be ineligible for athletics but continue right on in the other extracurricular activities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by qryche11 View Post
    In speaking with a NKY middle school basketball coach last night I was informed that a By-Law was recently voted on to allow kids who fail academically the ability to participate in athletics the following year. He was amazed that it was brought up for vote let alone that it passed with a 12-5 vote in favor of changing the By-Law.

    This is an absolute joke IMO. Last I checked athletics was a privelage and not a right. It basically tells kids that athletics are more important than getting good grades. The sad thing was that the A.D of a NKY school who actually was heading up the meeting was putting emphasis on making sure they voted right then and there. Let me guess, his school probably has a couple of kids who failed and who want to play basketball again as 7th or 8th graders.

    I understand that some kids might have health issues and repeat a grade but this is essentially telling the ones that get bad grades, its ok, just come back next year and you will get the same privelages.

    So basically not only are we telling the kids that there are no consequences for their failure but we are also telling our 12 and 13 yr old sons and daughters that they may be playing against 14 and 15 yr old 7th graders in teh coming future.
    The facts here are not completely straight.
    Last edited by malachicrunch; Oct 19, 07 at 12:05 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by STRIKE3 View Post
    I may be wrong, been a while since I checked but I thought KHSAA ByLaw5 stated, that student-athletes in grades 1-8, must be passing 2/3's of the subjects, they are currently enrolled in.

    There are additional requirements, of minimum credit hours and passing at least, 4hrs of 6hrs, in 9-12, I believe.

    Not sure how a local school system, can create a policy which has less standards, than the KHSAA, regarding MS participation.
    Someone could easily be passing 2/3's of their subject during the athletic season (fall and winter sports) and still fail for the year.

    Also, if they are passing a bylaw like this, then they should add that the student only gets 3 total years of eligibility at the middle school level (considering the school is 6 through 8).

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    Quote Originally Posted by qryche11 View Post
    In speaking with a NKY middle school basketball coach last night I was informed that a By-Law was recently voted on to allow kids who fail academically the ability to participate in athletics the following year. He was amazed that it was brought up for vote let alone that it passed with a 12-5 vote in favor of changing the By-Law.

    This is an absolute joke IMO. Last I checked athletics was a privelage and not a right. It basically tells kids that athletics are more important than getting good grades. The sad thing was that the A.D of a NKY school who actually was heading up the meeting was putting emphasis on making sure they voted right then and there. Let me guess, his school probably has a couple of kids who failed and who want to play basketball again as 7th or 8th graders.

    I understand that some kids might have health issues and repeat a grade but this is essentially telling the ones that get bad grades, its ok, just come back next year and you will get the same privelages.

    So basically not only are we telling the kids that there are no consequences for their failure but we are also telling our 12 and 13 yr old sons and daughters that they may be playing against 14 and 15 yr old 7th graders in teh coming future.
    Hey, at my school when I was in 7th grade, because of the low priority the general populace in my home county placed on academics, we had to play dodgeball against 16- and 17-year-olds. Maybe these middle school kids you speak of just need to get tougher!

    In all seriousness, I agree with pretty much everyone else. If they're failing in class, they shouldn't be out between the lines representing the school.

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    No pass, no play at Bardstown.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ladiesbballcoach View Post
    KHSAA does not have say so in MS athletics UNLESS those athletes are playing on the HS level. I assumed from the post that this is for ONLY the NKY MS league.


    And btw, horrible decision. BUT,

    If they fail a grade are they not allowed to be in band? Chorus? Science club? WWJD? Any of the other non-athletic extracurricular activities? Why is athletics held to a different standard than all the other extracurricular activities? One F at a MS and you could be ineligible for athletics but continue right on in the other extracurricular activities.
    Right, but they shouldn't be allowed to participate in those other extracurricular activities either. However, the likelihood of this happening with chorus or band kids is pretty miniscule in comparison to the abuses of academics that go on in the name of sports.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Schue View Post
    Hey, at my school when I was in 7th grade, because of the low priority the general populace in my home county placed on academics, we had to play dodgeball against 16- and 17-year-olds. Maybe these middle school kids you speak of just need to get tougher!

    In all seriousness, I agree with pretty much everyone else. If they're failing in class, they shouldn't be out between the lines representing the school.
    Yea, we had a couple kids driving to Middle school back in the 80's.

    Apparently I dont have the facts straight on this as far as anything being passed officially. More info is trickling in thanks to Mallachi Crunch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hearsay View Post
    No pass, no play at Bardstown.
    At Northern ( Pulaski ) Middle School, progress reports are given to the coaches every Monday, and if a student is failing even one class he is out until that grade is brought up to par.

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    Are you saying the kid was not passed onto the next grade or are you saying the kid was promoted but decided to repeat? I know the latter will cost him/her a year of high school eligibility (see Rodney Haddix).

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    Quote Originally Posted by qryche11 View Post
    In speaking with a NKY middle school basketball coach last night I was informed that a By-Law was recently voted on to allow kids who fail academically the ability to participate in athletics the following year. He was amazed that it was brought up for vote let alone that it passed with a 12-5 vote in favor of changing the By-Law.
    It is my understanding that this change to the By-Laws was NOT made by the coaches. It was instead sent to the local SBDM councils who have the power to change the by-laws. I'm not exactly sure what the vote was for, but I would guess that it was either a vote to send it to the SBDMs or a recommendation that the SBDMs approve the change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cshs81 View Post
    Are you saying the kid was not passed onto the next grade or are you saying the kid was promoted but decided to repeat? I know the latter will cost him/her a year of high school eligibility (see Rodney Haddix).

    Only if they do it in the 8th grade.