Gun Control

Just some food for thought....

Graves Co. home invasion victim dies - Murray Ledger & Times: News

^happened in Boyd Co. a couple of years ago also. Homeowner shot an intruder he warned several times.

Originally Posted by woodsrider

Had he walked in and started shooting with a couple of 12 gauges this would have been much worse IMO. An AR15 is an assault weapon in name and appearance only. If you want to question them I can understand questioning the high capacity mags. The gun itself is nothing more then a semi auto .223. Had he walked in with a Remington 7400 it would have bascially been the samething.

I guess it's the high capacity aspect I'm struggling with. I fail to see the need . Educate me.

Originally Posted by Clyde

I guess it's the high capacity aspect I'm struggling with. I fail to see the need . Educate me.

I'm kinda with you right now.

Originally Posted by Colonels_Wear_Blue

I'm kinda with you right now.

It isn't need, it is the slippery slope.

Look at gun control in England, Australia, etc. They start with something everyone can get behind, then you are left with.......


No one need 650 HP cars either but you can buy them.....32,310 people died in motor vehicle crashes in 2011 and there were 12,996 murders in the US. Of those, 8,775 were caused by firearms.....

Originally Posted by CBDV

It isn't need, it is the slippery slope.

Look at gun control in England, Australia, etc. They start with something everyone can get behind, then you are left with.......


No one need 650 HP cars either but you can buy them.....32,310 people died in motor vehicle crashes in 2011 and there were 12,996 murders in the US. Of those, 8,775 were caused by firearms.....

How many were from cars with 650 HP?

Originally Posted by rockmom

Just gonna throw out here that a week or so ago, a Southern Indiana man was shot and killed by his 3 year old son....who'd found that hidden, loaded handgun.

Yeah, but did the kid have a CCP?

Originally Posted by Clyde

How many were from cars with 650 HP?

lol

Originally Posted by Clyde

How many were from cars with 650 HP?

How many of the murders committed with firearms were committed with firearms with high capacity magazines?

The high capacity magazines will be possessed by the bad guys whether it's legal or not.

I don't like the idea of the military-style semi-automatics. In reality I can only think of headlines involving them that indicate their destruction was deliberate. As others have pointed out, those with ill intent will get their hands on them no matter what. But hand guns are completely different.

Originally Posted by AverageJoesGym

How many of the murders committed with firearms were committed with firearms with high capacity magazines?

No clue. It seems irrelevant as I asked a simple question.

Seems like we can easily allow for the 2nd Amendment (which I support) without allowing for the high capacity magazines.

Is there a good argument for them other than the proposed "slippery slope?"

Originally Posted by 00Rocket28

The high capacity magazines will be possessed by the bad guys whether it's legal or not.

This thinking always baffles me. If we're basing what items/actions/substances should be legal upon actions taken by criminals would we ever have anything that was deemed to be illegal?

Originally Posted by formerkywrestler

I do see WAY too many kids biking without a helmet.

Did you wear a helmet when you rode your bike? I didn't, nor did anyone I grew up with. Most kids only do so when they're really young.

For all of you that are pushing for more gun control and/or capacity limitations I'll re-post what I posted in another thread.

Norway has among the toughest gun laws on the planet, not to mention, a reputation for having among the most peaceful citizens on the planet.
But that didn't stop Anders Breivik from going on a rampage that left 77 dead, that's right 77 in 2011.
The same year Nordine Amrani murdered seven in Belgium.
Or 17-year-old Tim Kretschmer walked into a German elementary school and killed 15 people in 2009.
Or a 52-year-old British taxi driver named Derrick Bird butchered 12 and injured 11 others in a four-hour violent spree back in 2010.
Barely a year after Ibrahim Shkupolli stabbed and killed his ex-girlfriend, then went on to a shopping mall in Finland to kill four others.
...the same otherwise "peaceful" Finland, where only about a year earlier, a 22-year old culinary arts student walked into a school and killed 10 people.

I could go on
...the Birmingham, England man who killed three back in 2000.
...the Swiss kid who slaughtered 14 at the parliament in Zug in 2001.
...the 29-year-old who killed 11 and injured 6 in South Africa.
...the Slovakian man who killed 7 in a Netherlands shopping mall in 2011.
...or the 23-year-old Australian surfer named Martin Bryant, who shot dead 35 people at a popular tourist attraction there "just because he felt like it" that day.

Cavuto: Gun violence isn't unique to the US

Point is, no matter how much you think you're going to control it....you're not.

Originally Posted by Run To State

For all of you that are pushing for more gun control and/or capacity limitations I'll re-post what I posted in another thread.

Norway has among the toughest gun laws on the planet, not to mention, a reputation for having among the most peaceful citizens on the planet.
But that didn't stop Anders Breivik from going on a rampage that left 77 dead, that's right 77 in 2011.
The same year Nordine Amrani murdered seven in Belgium.
Or 17-year-old Tim Kretschmer walked into a German elementary school and killed 15 people in 2009.
Or a 52-year-old British taxi driver named Derrick Bird butchered 12 and injured 11 others in a four-hour violent spree back in 2010.
Barely a year after Ibrahim Shkupolli stabbed and killed his ex-girlfriend, then went on to a shopping mall in Finland to kill four others.
...the same otherwise "peaceful" Finland, where only about a year earlier, a 22-year old culinary arts student walked into a school and killed 10 people.

I could go on
...the Birmingham, England man who killed three back in 2000.
...the Swiss kid who slaughtered 14 at the parliament in Zug in 2001.
...the 29-year-old who killed 11 and injured 6 in South Africa.
...the Slovakian man who killed 7 in a Netherlands shopping mall in 2011.
...or the 23-year-old Australian surfer named Martin Bryant, who shot dead 35 people at a popular tourist attraction there "just because he felt like it" that day.

Cavuto: Gun violence isn't unique to the US

Point is, no matter how much you think you're going to control it....you're not.

I don't think anyone who questions the high-capacity issue thinks it will lead to zero incidents. I also do not think that simply because it will not lead to zero incidents means we shouldn't consider their necessity.

Originally Posted by Clyde

This thinking always baffles me. If we're basing what items/actions/substances should be legal upon actions taken by criminals would we ever have anything that was deemed to be illegal?

When it comes to safety from dangerous people it completely applies. Drugs are illegal but law abiding citizens don't have them cause bad guys do, cause they don't need drugs to protect themselves from those with drugs.

RTS, I'm not familiar with stats on how many people legally defended themselves with AK7's or weapons with high capacity magazines. That may help me see your side. The fact that these types of weapons are sold is disturbing to me. Help me understand a "need" for such weapons from a personal safety perspective.

Originally Posted by 00Rocket28

When it comes to safety from dangerous people it completely applies. Drugs are illegal but law abiding citizens don't have them cause bad guys do, cause they don't need drugs to protect themselves from those with drugs.

Based upon your logic no gun or weapon should be illegal because criminals will have them.

But based on your logic, only old fashioned 6-shooters should be legal and that would make the criminals only carry 6-shooters...

As far as AK47's. I don't know anyone who owns one. I know A LOTof people, including myself that own AR's. Some people just enjoy the hobby of shooting. It doesn't make them crazy or paranoid or anything of the sort.