Cheating to Win in Youth Sports

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    Quote Originally Posted by rjs4470 View Post
    Just pitching in every game isn't illegal...if you only play a couple games a week and they are spread out enough it can be done, although you wouldn't be able to throw more than a few innings each game. That being said, I've always felt part of youth sports is developing your players. Pitching one kid every game doesn't do that. And if the coach is pitching this kid beyond what the rules specify, that coach needs to find a different activity to do instead of coaching youth baseball.
    He's also on a weekend team and pitches then too. Yes, technically that's not illegal but I feel sorry for that kid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wireman View Post
    He's also on a weekend team and pitches then too. Yes, technically that's not illegal but I feel sorry for that kid.
    At some point, the kids parents need to step in. They are complicit and just as big a part of this problem. But hey, maybe being a star pitcher in youth baseball looks good on your resume.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rjs4470 View Post
    Just pitching in every game isn't illegal...if you only play a couple games a week and they are spread out enough it can be done, although you wouldn't be able to throw more than a few innings each game. That being said, I've always felt part of youth sports is developing your players. Pitching one kid every game doesn't do that. And if the coach is pitching this kid beyond what the rules specify, that coach needs to find a different activity to do instead of coaching youth baseball.

    Too many times in youth sports, adults seem to want to make it about them....it should never about the coaches and how many games or championships they win.
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    IMO if recreation leagues want to "develop" kids then they don't need to keep score. If you add in the equation of winning and losing then I don't care who you are, winning is always the main goal of every team in the league. We can sugarcoat it all we want to and we can say that we are developing kids because we play everyone fairly but at the end of the day everyone wants to win. People just go about it differently and there is nothing wrong with that as long as everyone is playing by the same rules.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rjs4470 View Post
    At some point, the kids parents need to step in. They are complicit and just as big a part of this problem. But hey, maybe being a star pitcher in youth baseball looks good on your resume.
    Well unfortunately his parent is a coach.

    Pitching every game isn't necessarily illegal. It's unethical and abusive to the kid's arm but technically, not illegal.

    The cheating part was when they used an illegal player.

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    If it's happening as @Wireman is stating, not only is the coach a slime ball, but something is waaaaay wrong with the league as this should be easily noticed and stopped by league officials. The "buck stops" with the league officials. I don't see how this would be gotten away with in our local little league and believe 100% that it would be caught and stopped.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PurplePride92 View Post
    IMO if recreation leagues want to "develop" kids then they don't need to keep score. If you add in the equation of winning and losing then I don't care who you are, winning is always the main goal of every team in the league. We can sugarcoat it all we want to and we can say that we are developing kids because we play everyone fairly but at the end of the day everyone wants to win. People just go about it differently and there is nothing wrong with that as long as everyone is playing by the same rules.
    I mean, my team's goal is to win also, BUT we do it in what I would call the "right" way. We play kids in different positions, have multiple pitchers, etc. We develop all of our kids and focus on their improvement throughout the season. Then when the tournament rolls around, we focus on winning the games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wireman View Post
    He pitches EVERY game and I know he has gone over the pitch limit. There are limits and rest periods that are supposed to be followed.
    Then why hasn't it been reported?

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    If the coach is actually cheating aka "breaking the rules" then they should be reported. End of story. If not, then it sounds like they are doing things you don't approve of but they aren't cheating.

    Whether it's ethical or good for the kid is another discussion.

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    When my boys were younger we played a team and the coach's son threw about 100 pitches in a game. They were in about the 5th -6th grade. We had an additional 2 innings to play in a make up game and I declined to finish it up that day and I told the coach the reason for it was that I feared he would continue to pitch his son and ruin him. The kid never played high school ball.

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    Quote Originally Posted by formerkywrestler View Post
    Then why hasn't it been reported?
    I think most people don't want to be "that guy". That's one reason I wanted to get some fellow BGPer thoughts and opinions. What would you do?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wireman View Post
    I think most people don't want to be "that guy". That's one reason I wanted to get some fellow BGPer thoughts and opinions. What would you do?
    If I had concrete proof I would report it. Hell, I'd let the other coach know I reported it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by formerkywrestler View Post
    If I had concrete proof I would report it. Hell, I'd let the other coach know I reported it.
    I guess without watching every game and actually keeping their pitch count, there's no way to prove anything. But, everyone in the league knows they used an illegal player earlier this week. That was reported by another coach and he was told it was approved even though our league rules state that it should be a forfeit.

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    Does the opposing team not keep a pitch count in this league of the other the other teams pitcher as well as their own?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wireman View Post
    I mean, my team's goal is to win also, BUT we do it in what I would call the "right" way. We play kids in different positions, have multiple pitchers, etc. We develop all of our kids and focus on their improvement throughout the season. Then when the tournament rolls around, we focus on winning the games.
    Not to be argumentative but just because you call it the "right way" doesn't make someone else's way the "wrong way". You can develop players by playing them multiple positions and working on different pitchers in practice. Some coaches have the mindset that you earn the position in practice. Part of developing kids in youth sports can also be seen as proving yourself worthy to claim that position as yours when the game starts and traditionally that is earned in practice.

    Most recreation leagues have a rule that says everyone must participate a minimum amount of time in every game or the team forfeits for that game. More often than not even the teams that spend the most time playing kids at every position will make sure that everyone plays pretty early in the game so they can put their best players on the field at the end of the game in case it is a close game. Also in baseball everyone knows that the kid who can't catch the ball or struggles with defense is usually put out in right field or whatever the position the ball wont be hit at the most to avoid interaction with the ball. That kid is never put at shortstop in the bottom of the 6th with a 1 run lead and the top of the order coming up. I'm sure that hasn't changed either.

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